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Daichi Yamato
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Posted - 2013.05.08 16:13:00 -
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im concerned that it will not drive conflict, but more a first come first serve system.
it would be a lot harder to muscle in on an already claimed belt than to defend it. Anyone wishing to contest ownership would have to acquire a suspect flag and wait to be shot at by just about anyone, the ppl attacking him may not even be the miners, so he may never get to contest the belts ownership at all.
and if u try to bring a fleet to muscle another fleet out and all go suspect, the defenders are still able to engage the attackers one by one under the suspect mechanics.
lets hope these permits are expensive
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Daichi Yamato
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Swamp Bucket Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:09:00 -
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kyrieee wrote:
Well you could require the anchoring of some module in order to mine in the belt. That has a purchasable killright equivalent to the price of what the miners paid for the belt initially. So someone can pay a fee to contest your belt.
ummm...POS bashing on belts?
or mini decs against corps over mining belts only without a 24 hour waiting period (ha ha yes!)
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Daichi Yamato
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:35:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:kyrieee wrote:Well you could require the anchoring of some module in order to mine in the belt. That has a purchasable killright equivalent to the price of what the miners paid for the belt initially. So someone can pay a fee to contest your belt. I like this idea as well. My only concern is that people looking for easy kills will attack the structure for the sake of shooting people instead of control over the resource.
that was actually the best part of it. u shouldnt have the rights to something without having to defend it and urselves.
having rights to a belt should make u vulnerable to attack. the worst possible outcome (imho) of this proposal is invulnerable miners mining invulnerable belts. because that IS a first come first serve system and not conflict at all.
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Daichi Yamato
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:55:00 -
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Kiithnaras wrote: However, that does not prevent claim jumpers from coming in force, either to deter you from attacking them, or taking over your claim by force if you do engage them. The limited engagement or suspect flags still exist with respect to the claim jumpers, but if you can't muster enough force to drive them off or kill them, they have effectively disputed the claim, have they not?
this is exactly why skeptic is right. the suspect system punishes criminals but it does not drive conflict
if i want to try and take someones belt by force why am i flagged to the entire eve community?
if i want to try and take someones belt why can i not shoot the original claimer unless he shoots me first?
what am i supposed to do? get a thorax and use my drones to mine so i get flagged and then hope he is stupid enough to shoot me in his skiff? or even better, wait in his belt why he gets 'the blob' that can engage me and my friends ONE SHIP AT A TIME
there is no practical way to muscle in and contest for these belts except by trying to out bid ppl. mining other ppls belts will just be another petty grief mechanic. it wont be anything like the conflict u all seem to pretend to desire
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Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket
Swamp Bucket Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 23:22:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Then suggest a mechanic.
attacking someone who is suspect makes u a suspect. limited engagements are simply the old mechanics and still suck.
If ur willing to engage someone u should be prepared to defend urself, just like the suspect himself. fights are more open and its a LOT simpler. RR from both sides goes suspect, blobs on both sides are all open to being engaged. fights are not arbitrarily one sided.
if u cannot afford to openly fight, then dnt engage.
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Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket
Swamp Bucket Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 23:50:00 -
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SGT FUNYOUN wrote:Ok, one thing you are ALL missing is this.
If you buy and sell "mining charters" then the random miner would be disallowed from EVER mining again... UNLESS they joined a mining corp.
I DO NOT want ANYTHING to do with a purely MINING CORP!!! I am a PVP'er.
I mine when I get bored or when my Corp wants to do a mining op or I happen to come across a mining mission I like.
Your charter idea would absolutely DESTROY all small scale mining.
AND... think about this.
Goonswarm for instance; a HUGE corporation; could go into EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM IN THE GALAXY...
... and buy up every belt charter in them and lock everyone of YOU OUT. Then SELL said charters for hundreds of trillions of ISK and make bank while YOU languish in poverty.
Your idea is stupid, and you did not think of the humans are evil factor.
NO!!!
i think u missed the whole thread...
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Daichi Yamato
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Swamp Bucket Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:42:00 -
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Maximillian German wrote:snipped
what uve written is the general idea, but even with the limited engagements u describe (only goin suspect to certain ppl) still does not stop the defenders blobbing the 'suspects' one ship at a time with impunity.
if the defenders bring a fleet and engage the ppl trying to muscle in, that entire fleet should then be able to be engaged by the entire attacking fleet, not just the one ship getting shot at that time.
it also means that defending miners cannot be attacked without being concorded, unless the defender opens fire first.
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